New Delhi:  In an exclusive interview, Hollywood actor and former Governor of
California Arnold Schwarzenegger speaks with NDTV’s Dr Prannoy Roy and
discusses his time in India, his tenure as California’s governor and his
Bollywood aspirations. 

Here is the full text of the interview:

NDTV: A
very warm welcome to this, really special show, with a legend in our
lifetime, Arnold Schwarzenegger. Thank you very much for being here. If
there is one person who has lived life to the full, it’s you. You had a
tough start, then you went onto bodybuilding and then you became global
champion, then you went to Hollywood. You should have come to Bollywood
that would have been more fun. Then you achieved legendary status in
Hollywood, then as a successful Governor in politics. So what’s next
now?
 
Arnold Schwarzenegger: I think one of the things
that I will do I will continue doing is promoting and campaigning for
good government. Giving power back to the people rather than the
politicians have all the ultimate power, people have the ultimate power.
Also continuing campaigning and being under crusade for the
environment. I think there is a lot of work that needs to be done and I
always said now, after I am finished with the Governorship, I will go
back to what I have always done, which is promote health and fitness and
bodybuilding; and I also did movies and ran my businesses in real
estate and other investments, I will go back to that. Almost like
Cincinnatus when he was in charge, when he ruled Rome, after he was
finished with his challenges he went back to farming. I think there is
something attractive about that, going back to your original work and so
I think that’s what I am going to do, continue doing that. It is a very
fulfilling life and I am very excited. I am off those different things.
If it’s show business, politics, fitness bodybuilding, weight training,
all of those, I am really excited.
 
NDTV: No more
politics. I am really shocked that you are not standing for the
candidacy for the Republican Party. With these guys you could have won
easily.
 
Arnold Schwarzenegger: Well, I would. Except the
Constitution of the United States says if you are not born in America
you can’t run for President, so I can’t. Otherwise I could have.
 
NDTV: You would have knocked out those guys, wouldn’t you?
 
Arnold Schwarzenegger: Well,
you never know. I felt, I think I have a lot to offer, just like I did
when I ran for Governor. And I will be able to communicate to the people
directly, of the kind of vision that I had, which would not be through
political talk, but through honest talk, which made me win the
Governorship twice. And I think I would have a good shot doing the same
running for Presidential Race. But think we have good candidates, smart
candidates.
 
NDTV: Are you serious, they are really good.

Arnold Schwarzenegger: I think they are very good

NDTV: Who’s your favorite amongst them?
 
Arnold Schwarzenegger: I
don’t pick a favorite because we have a process and we have just begun
the process with the Primaries. If we go through a few more Primaries we
will be clear who will win and who is going to get nominated at the
Convention, and then it will be between the Republican and the Democrat.
Then on, I think, only Las Vegas, can know who will win. It goes on the
economy then remember the economy can make you win or lose. If the
economy stays where it is then I think the Republican candidate has a
very good shot. If the economy improves a little bit then I think
President Obama has a very good chance. So it all depends on that.
 
NDTV: In a word what do you think of President Obama?
 
Arnold Schwarzenegger:
I think there was some things he was very successful and there was some
things he was not successful, but that’s the old story of politics. I
remember I went into the Governorship in a very ambitious way, and I had
a long list of things that I wanted to accomplish. Half of which I
accomplished and the other half I did not. You see, you have to go and
shoot for the stars. I am very proud of the half things that I did
accomplish then, and right now I think it’s kind of the atmosphere in
Washington where things don’t get done. It’s very frustrating to see two
parties argue over everything only for political reason. The sad story
is because for me, when you get into politics, you always have to
promise to be a public servant and a party servant. Because there is a
big difference in being a party servant, where you only do things for
your party, or a public servant, where it doesn’t matter if it is a
Republican idea or a Democrat idea or a Liberal idea or Conservative.
That’s how I ran my administration. If it is a good idea you vote for
it, you push for it. That’s the way I ran for Governor when I ran for
it. I worked for Democrat and Republican and I did not look at it as
Democrat or Republican. I was only interested in what’s best for
California. Some issues like the environment issue will be more a
Liberal issue. The way people look at it health care reform, the way
people look at it is a Liberal way. Then again, and I was living within
our means, that’s spend fighting money we have and not bring a debt on
ourselves. But that was considered as a more Conservative issue.
 
NDTV: I want to ask you, which required greater acting skills, Hollywood or politics?
 
Arnold Schwarzenegger:
Both, I think both. When Ronald Reagan one time said that he was glad
to have an acting experience when he became President, I said what does
he mean by that? But later on, when I became Governor, I recognised what
does it mean very quickly. The same rules apply in acting. One of the
things they teach you in acting is to be engaged, to go inside and not
to just speak words, but actually mean to get through to the people and
actually to communicate. The same is in politics. You can’t just go out
and blabber words out to the wall, as if no one is standing there.
You’ve got to penetrate and get people into your world, so to speak, and
there is an art to do that. There’s a lot of people who talk, but they
don’t really say anything, and there are people who can penetrate
through and make you understand.
 
NDTV: And the audience can tell that?
 
Arnold Schwarzenegger: Absolutely. I think that learning was very helpful.
 
NDTV: Do you know a little about Bollywood, Indian movies?

Arnold Schwarzenegger: Yes.

NDTV: Can you dance?

Arnold Schwarzenegger:  A little bit.

NDTV: Could you dance, so you can consider doing Bollywood one day, maybe?
 
Arnold Schwarzenegger:
Maybe if there is a good script and a good, interesting Director, then I
mean I worked already all over the world, I would not mind working in
India. I think most movies made here are low budget movies.

NDTV: It’s increasing now…it’s changing now.

Arnold Schwarzenegger: 
It is increasing now. Yes, what’s amazing about India is that they have
an extra ordinary movie industry. They do over 700 movies a year. I
mean I don’t think there was ever a year when America did 700 movies. It
is really amazing if you think about it. The sad story is the movies
don’t come over to the USA, they don’t travel internationally; I have
really rarely seen, if at all, movies in Austria from India or in
Germany or in England or USA.
 
Arnold Schwarzenegger:
Well that’s now your role to play. You can take Indian movies abroad.
Let’s have some questions here from these youngsters from different
colleges here, they actually have stars in their eyes looking at you. So
they might be a little inarticulate, but we’ll forgive them for that.
Any questions from here, yes in front in green.
 
Audience:
Hello. My question to you is, like everybody here is really talking
about climate change and we have been talking about it. Movie making
actually requires a lot of resources and energy to it, so how do you
think it is increasing the carbon footprint in today’s scenario?
 
NDTV:
Let’s put it another way. Can movies give a message that reduces the
carbon? Is that a responsibility, or is it just there is just to
entertain?
 
Arnold Schwarzenegger: I think movies are
there just to entertain. But if it lands itself for a message or if the
script is a fantastic script, that automatically has a message built in,
I think you should use it. Very rarely does a script show anything or
promote anything environmentally. If someone writes a good script then
this is one of the things that you all can do. You can look at it and
say I am going to come up with a great script that involves a great
environmental message. Then you can go and sell that script, because the
interesting thing about this is that each person has the power, the
power to make changes. Even though, we think about, all the time I am
powerless and politicians have all the power, it is not so. I remember
before I ran for Governor, I was upset the way California was run. I was
upset where we were going, I was upset with the blackouts we had. Some
days we did not have electricity. The prices went up. All kinds of crazy
things happened in California. It felt like we need some new
leadership; and we maybe need someone outside to come in. People always
said to me it is impossible, don’t even talk about it; they are going to
destroy and this and that, you will never win. You hear the word
impossible, because I don’t believe in the word impossible, and I
believe it should be cut out of the dictionary. Because, as Nelson
Mandela said, things always seemed to be impossible till someone
actually did it, it’s that simple. So I said I am going to do the
impossible and I am going to be the Governor. Then you have tremendous
power and you’re in this position. And each and every one of you
students has tremendous power. All you got to know is never take what
you see out there lying down; fight it. Don’t watch television and sit
and complain and say, ‘look at this guy, and this and that, look how
businesses are, look how corrupt this is’. Go in there, jump into
politics, campaign and become one of them. And then create changes
within, and that is tremendous power and that’s the power each and every
one of you has. You don’t have to necessarily run for politics, you can
be a leader and have tremendous power otherwise. Look at Dr Pachauri,
for instance, he is a perfect example; he doesn’t run for politics, he
doesn’t run for offices, he is not Prime Minister. But the amount of
power that he has is more than probably any one around, except maybe
other people in great inventions in India. But I have seen him in
California. He is like a rock star over there. People were listening to
him like this, leaning forward, kind of inhaling and taking in every
word that he said, because he is an extra ordinary human being, that has
taken it upon himself, that I am going to lead an environment crusade,
and go around the world and make sure we are going in the right
direction, that is going to protect us from an international disaster.
The way we are going right now we would be that. He amongst the many
others is going to stop that and this tremendous power that he has,
that’s what you can do each, that’s the power each and every one of you
can acquire by being passionate about something like he is, passionate.
And you have vision and you never look at the world impossible as a word
in vocabulary, you cut it out and move forward with tremendous energy.

NDTV: This young gentleman in the second row on the left
 
Audience: Hello
Sir. My question to you is what message would you like to give to the
people of India, a developing country like India, to tackle climate
change problem?
 
Arnold Schwarzenegger: I think the
important thing is India, since it is a developing country that they
look at the mistakes of the developed nations. I think it is a good
thing. Like I looked at my parents very critically and said let me see
the mistakes they made, and other people made, and I learnt from that
the way they dealt with bringing up their children. I then improved in
that, in how I bring up my children. So I think it’s great in power
there. We can watch the world. Why are we in this mess today? What have
they done wrong? India can then go and say we are going to develop, and
we are not going to let anyone tell us not to develop, but we are going
to develop in a better way. We are going to develop with renewable
energy rather than with fossil fuel. We’re going to have so many cars in
this country. Everyone should have the pride of ownership of a car in
this country, but with electric cars not, like they did with their gas
cars. We will have cars like hydrogen fuel cars, we will have hybrid
cars; we will have new technology, which we are going to work on day and
night. We are not going to make the same mistakes. We are going to go
and create energy independence. We are not going to do this like the
developed countries, where everyone has to beg for the grid to work, for
electricity to arrive or for some power company to say, alright six
weeks maybe we will install some energy in your part. No, I am going to
go and develop a solar panel like Dr Pachauri is, where he took out a
whole idea where to light a billion lives. That whole programme where he
wants to go get people off kerosene lamps and have a solar panel, so
they can have a light, they can have a stove and refrigerator etc.
That’s a whole new way of going that gives you energy independence,
which other people don’t have. They have to be slaves to the power
companies now. And also India has a way of looking at the rest of the
world and saying, why is for instance, America is relying 60 percent on
fuel to come from outside? That makes the United States very vulnerable.
So the national security goes down, as you rely more and more on this
outside power. So India can learn from them and say, we are going to be,
at a certain point, be energy independent, and we are going to need no
energy from outside, and we are going to do mostly with renewable
energy. Because there is tremendous amount of sun, abundant amount, and
there is abundant amount of wind and there is abundant, amount of water.
So, you can use hydro, water and wind and solar. And then you use all
of your garbage, all of your wastes and then use that for energy,
biomass, you are home free. You are doing everything that is different
than they, the developed world, has done in the past. And you will
reduce your pollution, and you will bring a really, a healthy atmosphere
to India. That’s my message, learn from the rest of the world the
mistakes they have made, and learn from people like Dr Pachauri, because
he knows exactly what mistakes the rest of the world has made.
 
NDTV: We
will be asking him to join us soon to talk about these issues, but just
going quickly back to your Hollywood career, all these different images
around here, which was really the turning point for you?
 
Arnold Schwarzenegger: You know I don’t think there’s one turning point, I think I was very fortunate.
 
NDTV: I think you got Golden Globe very early.
 
Arnold Schwarzenegger: Yes very early, for Stay Hungry, for being the best newcomer
 
NDTV: Right, that was very early.
 
Arnold Schwarzenegger: Very early, that was 1977 I won that. But I think the big step for me was Conan the Barbarian,
because it was the first time the studio invested 20 million dollars,
which in today’s terms would be 150 million dollars or something like
that, because it was back in 1979-1980. So it was the first time a huge
studio invested that kind of money and promoted the movie
internationally. That set me up to become a movie, a leading man in
movies, but Terminator was an interesting film, because it
allowed me to be a leading man without being in this loin cloth; and not
showing my muscles throughout the whole movie, which in Conan was the
case. So in Conan I could do it most because of my stardom in the
bodybuilding world, and I could also do my acting. But Terminator was a
great break through, because it was most relying on the acting and not
on the muscles. So that was great breakthrough. Then Commando and Predator of course, and then Twins was a very important breakthrough, because I always wanted to do comedies.
 
NDTV: Right
 
Arnold Schwarzenegger: I
was not allowed to do comedy because I was so, I made so much money for
the studio in action movies, that they said why would we spend money on
a comedy, when we give him an action movie, we can make more money. So I
literally said that I would work for free, you don’t have to pay me
anything. I make the investment in myself. Let’s do a comedy, lets try
it and Ivan Reitman, who did the Ghostbusters movie, he was a
great director for comedies, and he and Danny DeVito said that, you
know, let’s do this movie with Arnold, and we did this movie. Danny
DeVito and I played twins and the movie became the hugest success. It
made more money than; actually we made more money, even though we took
no money. But what that means is that we had a share of the backend,
that means percentage wise you are participating in the profits, and it
was huge profits, not only in the theatre, but also in the video and
then later on the DVD, and airplane sales and TV sales and national
sales. We participated in all of that; I think our participation was
almost like 40 percent, so we made a lot of money from the movie. So
those were like the different breakthroughs and I think all of that led
up to me being the highest paid actor, after Terminator 3. So it was a
huge success for someone, that they said, you could never, ever become a
leading man, because they said your body is too big, you have an accent
and a name that no one can pronounce. What is this, like Schwatizee,
Schnizel, something like that. So they said can’t be done and I was very
proud to get to that point.
 
NDTV: So all these excellent
characteristics, not an American accent, body to big, name, if you had
one thing to change about yourself what would that be?
 
Arnold Schwarzenegger:
Well I am very happy with myself and I am pretty much the happiest guy
around. I have made mistakes in life that I regret, but I would say that
when it comes to career and those kind of things, I would not change
anything.
 
NDTV: Physically what would you like to change?
 
Arnold Schwarzenegger:
Physically I would like to have the body again of when I was 30 years
old, because it is actually the sad story, when you get older, you
actually see your muscles kind of like decrease, it’s is kind of like
very depressing.
 
NDTV: But part of the condition, of any
show like this, is you have to take off your shirt and show us like what
is the body like is now, you know that, they told you that right?
 
Arnold Schwarzenegger: I have done that in the last movie Game and that’s the new setup to training, bench presses.
 
NDTV:
Bench presses in Hollywood. Any questions on Hollywood because we will
be talking about environment soon. Yes on the back, young lady on the
left.
 
Audience: Sir, one line from the movie Terminator, ‘Hasta la Vista baby’. Say it, for us
 
Arnold Schwarzenegger: ‘Hasta la Vista, Baby’.
I actually say to you, much rather ‘I will be back’, because this trip
so far has been so fantastic, and it’s my first time here and I really
enjoyed the beauty of it. And I have a book at home about India and so
many wonderful pictures in there, the animal kingdom that you have here.
And they are now preserving the tigers and all those things; and the
Taj Mahal, and tomorrow we are going to see it. I want to bring some
good gifts and decorations and all those for my house, the beauty of the
country. This is a really 2 or 3 day trip, but next time when I come
back, I want to tour the whole country and see all the looks. Because
just like the United States India has different looks. Like in the north
it is different and the south it is different. There is so much to see,
it is a wonderful place
 
NDTV: Into the camera, can you say, about India, that you will be back?
 
Arnold Schwarzenegger: I love it India; ‘I’ll be back’.
 
NDTV:
Okay, we take a short break, and when we come back we will take more
questions on environmental issues, and something we want you to help Dr
Pachauri and us to do, that is help save the tiger, and that’s in a
moment from now.
 
NDTV: Welcome back. We continue our
conversation with a person whose body is too big, who’s got a wrong
accent and whose name is, can’t remember! And we’re joined by Dr
Pachauri, who you have been talking about; a great partnership here, in
terms of trying to do something to change the environment. Has he been a
great help or has he bullied you?

Dr Pachauri: You know as he said a while ago this is Twins 2. You have seen the movie Twins. We look alike as you can see.

NDTV: You look very much alike.

Dr Pachauri: We have the same genes. So he has been very good for me, I don’t know if I have been in any way good for him

Arnold Schwarzenegger: You
have been to everyone of our environment Summits here in California;
the Governor’s Global Climate Summit and as I said he was a rock star
over there but people loved listening to him and its great to have him
here and I wanted to show my loyalty to him because he has shown
unbelievable loyalty towards, we were trying to accomplish and by
supporting us. So I said, four times I have tried to come, but when you
are a governor, there’s always a crisis, especially when you release
your budget in January and then a week later you can’t go travel to
India. So I always said let’s not go, we would get the time to go. So
now I am not anymore Governor, so this time it worked out but I wanted
to come for a long time.

Dr Pachauri: What I find
particularly pleasing is the fact that Governor Schwarzenegger has not
given up the ideals that drove all his actions when he was in office. I
think what he has launched now is the R20 which relies on sub-national
action to deal with climate change, I think.

NDTV: R20 is his movement that he is creating?

Dr Pachauri: That’s right.

Arnold Schwarzenegger: The national environmental organisation

Dr Pachauri:
And it assumes huge relevance after what we have seen with the 17th
conferences of the parties. Which have not really resulted in any
tangible action. So I just want to ask Governor Schwarzenegger, what is
it that motivated you? I know you come from a beautiful country. You
were in Austria.

NDTV: That is a good question. You have done everything ….

Dr Pachauri: What motivated you? Worry about the environment and climate change and developing the passion for this issue?

Arnold Schwarzenegger:
Well I come from a very beautiful country, from Austria and Austria was
always very good with protecting its environment. So when I came to
California in 1968 I saw smog and I was shocked about that. And I had
tears in my eyes because it was burning from the smog. And I said to
myself that it is crazy. I did not know about the America that they had
this pollution and so of course California passed very strong laws and
now we don’t have the burning in our eyes anymore, the smog has reduced
by tremendous amount and it’s a much better atmosphere. But when I
became a Governor it was very clear for me, now I have the power to make
changes and to move the environmental agenda forward, so that was my
motivation. I always felt like, you know, I was so much in love with
California, I was in love with America, that I always wanted to do
something for California and America. And you know I was received by
Californians and by America with open arms, and the immigrants are
always welcome over there and so I would never forget that. Therefore I
wanted to give something back and I, of course my wife’s parents, you
know, Sargent Shriver started the Peace Corp, started the Job Corp and
legal aid to the poor; and Maria’s mother started the Special Olympics,
which was for people with intellectual disabilities, and so they
motivated me also to get involved in public service and to become a
public servant.

NDTV: Some more questions here. Okay the
front row. My God, so many hands up. Mostly women, how about men asking
some questions? Yes in front here, go ahead.

Audience: Sir,
we all are facing with daring climate change challenges. My question to
you is what are your views on carbon export optimisation tax policy,
formulated by the European Union this year?

NDTV: That’s very complicated, but it’s a good question. Let’s take 2-3 questions and then he can answer them together.

Audience: I wanted to ask you, as a Governor, what was your major area of expertise?

Arnold Schwarzenegger: My major area of expertise?

NDTV: And one more question, a young lad there, at the back there.

Audience: I am a very big fan of yours.

NDTV: You look a bit like it.

Audience: I
don’t think so. Thanks for the compliment. Okay Sir, when we talk about
environmental lobbying, there’s a huge divide between developing
countries and the developed countries. How do you think this gap can be
bridged?

Arnold Schwarzenegger: I think if I understand
right between the developed and developing countries, there is a big gap
and how can we close that gap? I think the most important thing is that
we don’t let the developed world tell the developing world what to do.
That’s number one I think that they can make suggestions and they can
say here we would like you to go a certain direction, you should learn
from the mistakes that we have made and work together like that. But it
bothers me sometimes when people from the United States, Germany,
England, France; from all other countries, when they say that, you know,
in India people have been riding bicycles for their whole life; And now
continue riding the bicycle, it’s much better for the environment and
totally deprive them potentially of ownership of car. I think that’s
crazy. I think it’s unfair. And so I think that people have to become
and have to develop an international mind, and learn a little about the
developing world, when you live in a developed world to understand what
challenges they have, and kind of when you understand challenges they
have, you can work together with them much better, and I think that’s
the most important thing. The number two thing I would say is even
though there is a dispute among the developing and developed countries
our R20 sidesteps all of that. Because there is endless amount of
reasons why countries don’t sign on to a Kyoto number 2 Treaty. Endless
amount of reasoning, like in America you remember, Clinton signed on in
1997 and then the Congress didn’t vote for it. So those internal
problems, sometimes the dynamics are wrong, whatever it is. I think it
is much smarter to go simultaneously, to appreciate what the UN is
trying to do to, appreciate what all the leaders are trying to do to get
an international agreement. Yes, but let’s not wait for it. Let’s hope
for it. There is no one that hopes for more than me. But let’s not wait
for it, because waiting means you are sitting on a side of the road and
hoping that someone will rescue you. You go and create an initiative
yourself. There are a lot of things that we can do on a sub-national
level, like for instance California didn’t wait for Washington. We
created our own action. We made a commitment to reduce our green house
gases. We did a million solar roof, we did a load of carbon fuel
standards and reducing the real pipe emissions. All of this was done at a
state level the same is in India. You have States here, right now in
India that are working separately on their own and creating great
action. It is also the same in France, same in Germany and in other
countries. We have to go State by State, city by city, because that is
really where the action is. And also inspire the private sector, work
with the public sector, work with the academic sector. Everyone has to
work together.

NDTV: I mean this is basic for all these kids as well.

Dr Pachauri:
Well, that’s absolutely right. I mean as I said earlier, Gandhiji said,
‘be the change you want to see in the world’, and for that reason my
Institute is working with a number of state governments. We are carrying
out detailed climate modeling to assess what the impacts of the climate
change will be in the different parts of the country, and get people
motivated to do something about it.

NDTV: You also said that Gandhi said, ‘we have enough resources to fulfill our needs, but not enough to fulfill our greeds’.

Dr Pachauri: Quite
right. And I think to support what the Governor has said, Gandhiji also
said, ‘speed is irrelevant if you are going in the wrong direction’.
You see if the developed countries have gone in the wrong direction,
they may grow their GDP by 10%, not that they are doing it, but we
shouldn’t do the same thing. We should go in the right direction, and
there even a small percentage growth is probably better than the
negative effects of rapid growth in wrong direction

NDTV: The questioner right in front here, you have been wanting to ask right from the beginning.

Audience:
My question to you is, that the Indian urban youth is becoming
increasingly consumeristic, quite identical to urban USA especially
California. So I read some of your policies, it’s really simple policies
but effective. For example like 3-minute showers that you had
initiated. So what do you think can inspire the youth, which is so
increasingly consumeristic, to adapt to sustainable energy practices,
because its easier for rural people to adapt to them because they
haven’t been exposed to consumerism, but how do you get a consumer
efficient intensive youth to adapt to sustainable energy, the way you
tried to aim California?

NDTV: Consumerism

Arnold Schwarzenegger:
I think it is extremely important that the green sector becomes and
makes products affordable. I think that brings the consumer in. If I can
produce a flat screen TV that is 80% more energy efficient, they will
only make you save money when you install it, because every month when
you pay your power bill you will see the reduced amount. But you have to
promote that. Same with the cars, if I can go and show the youth that
an electric car is less expensive than a gasoline fuelled car, and if I
gave you a tax incentive and we talked about tax incentives, there your
question, We in California and United States have tax incentives. This
is 5000 dollars if you buy a car, give 5000 Dollar tax incentive and
from the Federal Government you get 2500 Dollars. So now if you buy a
car for 20,000 Dollars, you right away, you take away 7500 Dollars off
that amount, and the car will cost you only 12,500 Dollars. So those are
the kind of things to incentivise the consumer and it’s also promotion
that is the key thing. The important thing is to make it affordable.
What made the cell phone so popular? There was no international treaty.
There was no UN getting together with all the nations in the world, that
said twenty years ago when the cell phone kind of came out and became
popular, that in twenty years from now we want to have four billion
people using cell phones. No one said that. But you know that today four
billion people are using cell phones. No treaty, Why? Because it was
affordable, it was cheaper than to lay a landline and then to get your
phone hooked up and you have no freedom. You always are relying on
someone. Now people have freedom. They can immediately get their phone.
You can communicate with anybody. I arrive here in Delhi, get on it and
check and ask people, basically where’s the best restaurant in Delhi?
And then again and hundreds of people telling me exactly which
restaurant I should go to and where should I go shopping and everything.
Imagine, no Government agreement, no UN kind of anything. Why, because
it’s affordable and that’s what we have to do with the environment. We
have to make cells, the cells of you know, of the solar, all this stuff
has to become affordable. So it that photo-voltaic solar panels, so that
they can be easily bought by anybody. We have to make it accessible for
everyone. And then when energy is less expensive than hooking up to a
grid, that’s when you are successful. And this is why it is important to
get the government’s subsidies in the beginning, to push it along and
that’s when that brings down the prices, and that’s when everyone can
afford it. And it’s for the common people and that’s what exactly you
are trying to do is with replacing the kerosene lamps. The only way a
poor person can replace a kerosene lamp is a) If they get the loan or b)
If it is so cheap that they can afford it. So this is the only way we
can do it.
 
NDTV: Dr Pachauri’s …

Arnold Schwarzenegger: 
And by the way the loan programme you have run here in India was
fantastic. There is very little, very few people who could not have paid
back. So there is great kind of action going on right now in your
country that we are very proud of.

NDTV: Right, we are
indeed grateful to you to have taken out the time. We know just how
choc-a-bloc your schedule is. Thank you very much, but just one last
thing about the next movie with you and Stallone, who wins?

Arnold Schwarzenegger: Well I am saving Stallone and his team. It’s called The Expendables. It’s a sequel to the Expendables. I was brought in again to save the day and to save them all.

NDTV: So you saved?

Arnold Schwarzenegger: So it’s obvious the expendables will win in the end.

Dr Pachauri:
I was just going to give a piece of information. I have written a
story, which I hope I will be able to convert into a movie. And whether
it’s done in Bollywood or Hollywood, I certainly would like, well I
would like to have him there for a guest appearance at least.

NDTV: Lovely, lovely.

Dr Pachauri: As the Governor of California who brings about a substantial change.

NDTV: Great

Arnold Schwarzenegger: Thank you, thank you, thank you so much.